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Posted - 2016.09.14 15:57:53 -
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I hear I can sign up to get on your podkill list here? Please put me down for 20 or 30.
Better hurry though - I'm only here for 1 more month.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
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Posted - 2016.09.14 16:11:57 -
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Josh Sharvas wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:I hear I can sign up to get on your podkill list here? Please put me down for 20 or 30.
Better hurry though - I'm only here for 1 more month. Granted my highest DPS output right now is probably only 100 so I won't be doing any podding for a while.  Most of you will be able to tank that for days. So let's hope I get something decent by that time :) Hope you're not leaving for any bad reasons...
My max dps on this particular character is 10. I'd still go for a pod-kill if I found one in front of me 
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
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Posted - 2016.09.14 20:11:43 -
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So because ratting in 0.0 is grindy and boring you....rat in high-sec for less isk with no corp mates to even talk to to keep things interesting?
I mean all the problems you say you'll have in 0.0 you'll still have in high-sec - you just won't have people offering to give you free stuff or help you...
So uh...am I missing something?
What are the *benefits* of staying in high-sec in an npc corp vs joining the new-player-friendly 0.0 group?
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
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Posted - 2016.09.14 20:19:00 -
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Also all this talk about high-sec wars vs marmites/etc...
Do you know how to avoid a war in the modern EVE?
Don't go to a major trade hub, and don't fly on the paths directly between the trade hubs. Congratulations - you've now avoided 99.99% of modern war-deccers.
For the rest? Watch local - if you see one in local he is already warping to you, so either run away or prepare to die. Since you aren't flying anything you can't afford to lose it isn't really the end of the world even if he catches you, right? And if you aren't mining he'll have to scan you first with his alt - so if you want to be extra safe keep an eye on d-scan for combat probes.
It really isn't that hard - and any half-way competent high-sec corp should be able to explain it to their new players... Whether any remaining high-sec corps are even half-competent is a separate subject for debate I suppose...
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
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Posted - 2016.09.14 20:24:37 -
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Josh Sharvas wrote:So a newbie must basically walk on egg shells from day one. Again, I disagree  So much content they will miss, oh so much :( Unless they find pleasure in that sort of thing well then of course go for it.
How is avoiding 6 systems and going about your daily business however you want to do so "walking on egg-shells"?
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The trade hubs aren't even good places for new players to buy things - the prices are all inflated due to people trying to make a profit on selling them. The best deals tend to be in the back-alley systems where people can't be ****ed to drag it to a market hub.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
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Posted - 2016.09.14 20:48:19 -
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Josh Sharvas wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Josh Sharvas wrote:So a newbie must basically walk on egg shells from day one. Again, I disagree So much content they will miss, oh so much :( Unless they find pleasure in that sort of thing well then of course go for it. How is avoiding 6 systems and going about your daily business however you want to do so "walking on egg-shells"? Because, let's be real, it isn't 6 systems to avoid it is much more :) Do you think these corps/alliances who do this for pleasure in game are going to stick to the same pattern? And local ain't gonna help either if the other corp uses alts to keep a watch at gates and then camps the other side. Personal experience by the way. I'm not making this up. And just imagine how it will change come Alpha clone time. All gates between low and null areas and chokepoints etc.. will be watched and ganked. All HiSec areas can have clever stragglers as well, not just around hubs. Again this is not a bad thing!!! Don't misunderstand me, it is supposed to happen!!! Just that a prudent newbie should bide a little time growing in the game before jumping into this head first and immediately going backwards from day one - and rage quitting shortly after. Unless he is lucky to actually find those good corps early on that you mention :) But remember that this is not everyone's experience so why should the newbie be expected to be so lucky.
I've been declaring war on people for years now - and I've even been in some of the bigger groups, including (ironically enough) marmite for a while - so speaking from personal experience on the other side of the war: You would be surprised.
Since the watch list was removed the *vast* majority of the wardeccing groups literally just camp choke points and trade hubs and never ever move. The bigger they are - the more likely they are to stick to this pattern. They may roam around a little when they are bored, and they do use neutral scouts - but if you are more than 6-7 jumps from their primary systems you are almost guaranteed to never see them. And that leaves *plenty* of space left in high-sec.
Some of the smaller groups (such as myself) will still hunt you - and yes, we use neutral alts to find and scan you down. That is why I said if you see the war target in local *they are already warping to you*. However, warping still takes time - meaning you still have time to get away. Don't go for a gate. If there is a station, dock up. If not, warp to a random planet at 100km and then bounce around a bit. Make some deep-space bookmarks and wait for them to get frustrated trying to scan you. Or - wait for your npc timer to go away and use the *safe logoff* option in a safe spot and take a break for an hour. Nobody is going to sit around all night for a new player's t1 fit cruiser or whatever cheap ship you are flying.
As for finding a good corp - it takes trial and error, time, and luck. But delaying joining one just delays the search - you are still going to have the same process, and it is going to be even more frustrating because you've waited and now you feel you are ready to really do something but you don't have a group you can do it with...
I would recommend joining a player corp ASAP - and keep joining them until you find a good one. Also don't give up on them the instant something goes wrong - give them a fair chance. But also don't cling to them too stubbornly - if after a week or 2 you hate it there, get out and find another one.
The beauty of doing this early in your EVE career is you literally haven't been in the game long enough to have anything to *lose* by joining a bad group. And you are still gaining skillpoints and becoming better equipped for life in EVE for once you DO find a good corp.
You certainly don't have to go to null-sec. High sec corps can be good. There are just more bad ones there because the only thing to weed them out are wars - and they rarely disband over those - so there is a higher % of good groups outside of high sec - because the bad groups out there tend to fail and disband faster. But one way or another you should be trying to find the right corp to join as soon as you can.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Posted - 2016.09.14 21:03:57 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
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The trade hubs aren't even good places for new players to buy things - the prices are all inflated due to people trying to make a profit on selling them. The best deals tend to be in the back-alley systems where people can't be ****ed to drag it to a market hub.
What a BS, sorry.
I admit I don't go shopping for low-end items much anymore - so perhaps my information is out-dated... but I at least used to be able to pick up t1 hulls/modules significantly cheaper outside of trade hubs rather than in them - and even buying things in trade hubs I always had to scroll down past all the cheap ones 5-10 jumps away from the hub station...
Either way the items are certainly still available elsewhere - even if they are no longer significantly cheaper.
And wars don't last *forever* - even if it seems like it sometimes
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
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Posted - 2016.09.15 12:09:05 -
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Since you seem to prefer high-sec - did you ever consider even looking for a high-sec corp that wasn't at war?
Shocking as it may be, there are *thousands* of corps in high-sec alone, and only *hundreds* of them are at war at any given time - leaving *thousands* that are *not* at war... And many of the better ones don't get war declared on them very often.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Posted - 2016.09.15 13:06:21 -
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Josh Sharvas wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Since you seem to prefer high-sec - did you ever consider even looking for a high-sec corp that wasn't at war?
Shocking as it may be, there are *thousands* of corps in high-sec alone, and only *hundreds* of them are at war at any given time - leaving *thousands* that are *not* at war... And many of the better ones don't get war declared on them very often. Well I am of the understanding that there are HiSec corps who war dec everything and their dog in HiSec and then hunt everybody there, essentially turning HiSec into NullSec in a way (Without all the sov and stuff). That is their goal. Thus there are no safe HiSec corps anymore. Am I mistaken? Because this is a very important point to consider before joining a player corp early on while you are in HiSec. You instantly become their target.
Yes, you are mistaken.
As stated, the big wardec-spamming groups can only keep a few hundred wars going at a time, and there are *thousands* of corporations. Plus they don't even limit themselves to high-sec corporations, they target low/null sec groups as well to hit their members going to market hubs.
Additionally as stated: None of the big groups hunts their targets anymore. Only the *small* groups that run 2-3 wars at a time tend to do that these days.
You sound like you've spent entirely too much time on forums/in chat rooms *talking* about EVE and not nearly enough time *playing* EVE...
I mean if we are just going to go by the hysterical people on the forums rather than actual game play - then even in an NPC corp 100% of new players get ganked constantly anyway, so you'd better not undock at all...ever.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
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Posted - 2016.09.15 14:20:50 -
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Well sure there is no 1 single path that works for everyone - that is kind of the point a lot of people have been trying to make.
I think pretty much everyone can agree you should figure out the basic mechanics of flying a ship/etc before you join PH or another 0.0 group...But most of us also make the (fairly logical) assumption that most new players will have already done so before they figure out what PH even is, or how to join a corporation...
And I don't think many (if any) would have had an issue if the OP had said that the player should become comfortable with the game before joining a corp - the point that offends them is when you try to specify an SP level or a specific time frame for that process. Some people are comfortable and ready to go within minutes - others will *never* get there in 20 years (and everything in between) - but that is an *individual* thing. Not something you can just arbitrarily set at "get cruiser mastery 4 or 5 first".
edit: Also it isn't always a bad thing to step outside your comfort zone - particularly early on. It is a way that a lot of people learn. And as I and others have stated: When you are that young you really have *nothing to lose* even if things go badly - you just get a learning experience as the OP seems to have done. His problem was in immediately giving up each time after minor setbacks.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Posted - 2016.09.15 17:28:19 -
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Josh Sharvas wrote:Only reason I tried to set a target is a newbie might not know what is a reasonable level to progress. But I will take your/others thoughts on that point. No issue for me :)
Unlike other MMO's, there are no fixed metrics for such things. You can't just grind your way up into X gear at Y level and blend in with all the other people doing some activity. There is *always* going to be someone (probably a lot of someone's) who is better at whatever you are doing than you are - and if you are *any* good at all at playing games (regardless of in-game skills/assets) there will always be people *worse* than you are at whatever you are doing as well.
While SP and isk will limit you slightly (not much since people are literally willing to throw both skillbooks and items at you for free just to get you involved faster) - the only *real* obstacles to overcome in EVE are *inside your own head*. As such, nobody else can tell you when you are "ready" to join a corp and do things...You are ready whenever you decide you are ready.
No matter what path you take you are going to have problems and setbacks - even if you stick to the NPC corp. The key to success in EVE is ultimately to learn to accept and move past the setbacks. Learn from them certainly, don't repeat whatever mistakes you make - but don't get upset or frustrated by them, because they are all just part of the game. As they say whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger - and in EVE we are *immortal* - so nothing that happens to you in this game can *ever* actually kill you - it *all* just makes you stronger (provided you are willing to let it do so by learning).
2 examples from my own personal EVE experience:
#1 - When I started EVE I immediately closed the annoying tutorial, spent 15 minutes figuring out the controls, flew 10 jumps (call it another 15 minutes) to meet up with the friend who recruited me, received a (poorly) fit tristan from him, and was within low-sec killing belt rats less than 15 minutes after that. I died 5 minutes later and I've never looked back - I loved it. So for me, I was comfortable with the game and willing to go get myself killed in less than an hour. And that was definitely the *right* choice *for me*.
#2 - A few years later while I was living in sov space and getting both bored and fed up with sov space politics, I decided to make a high-sec PvP alt to mess around on while nothing was happening in sov space. I killed my first ishkur (assault frigate), flown by a pilot older than my main account who was baiting miners by stealing their ore, before I passed the 500k sp mark. I killed a *Loki* (t3 cruiser - infamous for being OP), also flown by a pilot older than my main account, *before I passed 1 million sp* - while flying a ship that (at the time) cost me *less than a million isk*... Because an inexperience or idiotic player can have all the skillpoints and isk in the universe - he is still going to be inexperienced or idiotic - and thus at an enormous disadvantage. And the only way to gain experience and learn to be better is to *try* things in the game and learn from whatever happens.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Posted - 2016.09.15 19:03:52 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:The game itself is a harsh mistress. EVE will beat the living heck out of you. Most new players just aren't ready for EVE's lashes on their uncalloused, bare backs and buttocks.
Some new players feel those first lashes and run away, it's probably the most common reaction to the game. Others go "Ouch! What was that? What happened there!", they stay long enough to find out and go "I don't like this, I'm outta here!" or they go "Hey, that felt kinda good!" and end up staying just to see if they can start dishing out lashes themselves.
50 Shades of EVE?
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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